With a Little Help From My Friends
Put your feet on the floor. Close your eyes. Take a deep breath, and let it back out. Feel better?
These are scary, frustrating times. Just when many of us thought we could let our guard down, the highly contagious Delta variant has upended our sense of security. During times like these, I find it helpful to remember that I’m not alone.
That’s something that motivates fundraiser Kathryn Van Sickle to crank out episodes of her podcast, the Development Debrief, which is now in its fourth season. During the early months of the pandemic, Van Sickle, who lives in New York City, moved back in with her parents and devoted almost all of her time outside of work to interviewing guests and editing episodes.
“It was a huge help to me to meet people, to engage, to feel less isolated, to be thinking about what other people needed,” she told me.
Van Sickle talked with me about what inspired her to launch her podcast and what hosting it has taught her about career development, interviewing donors, and staying grounded during a chaotic year.
When I asked whether hosting the podcast affected how she did her work as a fundraiser, she said, “It has definitely given me a lot of inspiration to keep going. I’m not alone. There’s a whole community out there of people who are trying to figure out how to do this differently. And I have definitely used tips that people have put forward. I’m better just with managing my time with thinking about new ways to approach problems.”
She equates hosting a podcast with conducting a donor interview, citing the “excited feeling” she gets with both as she wonders “How is it going to go? Are we going to jive? Are there going to be lots of awkward pauses? The skill is asking questions and not just accepting the first answer.”
She added: " I think a lot of fundraisers are afraid to say, ‘You mentioned that your company went public. Can you tell me what that meant for you? What were the financial implications?’”
I asked her what kind of topics she’s planning for season four, which just started in July.
“Fundraising is going to continue to be just as tumultuous as it was this past year,” she said. “It might be harder because return-to-work procedures are very charged. It’s going to be challenging for leaders to decide how much of a hard line they want to put down or not. If fundraisers want to work remote full-time, it’s going to be hard for them to grapple with whether they want it so badly that they leave their institution. We proved that we could do our jobs remotely. I had a great year, but I don’t think I was doing my best work.”
She thinks a lot of fundraisers will leave their jobs in the next few months. “There’s going to be a mass exodus of fundraisers this summer and this fall,” she said. “Think about all the people who in February of 2020 were ready for a promotion and have been sitting in a frozen institution. They’re going to leave if they’re not promoted. On top of that, what’s going to happen with all the discovery work we did this year when we go to meet these people for the first time? Everything was shaken up, and now as it settles, we’re going to be seeing some little tornadoes in there.”
Check out our full conversation and find out how growing up the daughter of a fundraiser helped draw her into the profession.
Exit Interview: Penelope Burk
I also talked with veteran fundraising researcher Penelope Burk, who has been up to her elbows in donor data for 25 years and plans to retire in December.
Our conversation touched on the changes she’s seen since she started conducting her survey in 2009.
“Among donors, the biggest overall change is their seriousness about their philanthropy, the degree to which they will do their research before giving for the first time or giving again. Fundraisers used to be able to say, ‘OK, here comes the appeal! I want you to give now, and this is why I want you to do it.’ They have to shift from gatekeeper to customer-service agent. It’s much more like, ‘How can we give you what you need?’
“In our research, donors are very clear in telling us what they need. They want restricted giving. They want to be acknowledged promptly and in a gratifying and gracious way. And they want measurable results before they’re asked to give again. And if they get them, they’ll stay.”
As for changes in fundraisers and how they operate, she said, “The fundraiser’s job becomes: How can I knock my donor’s socks off with the quality of the thank-you letter that I write? How can I encourage my CEO and the programs people to give me good information that proves we are doing a great job with the money that donors give us? It’s kind of like managing up inside your own not-for-profit — all the way up to the board. The fundraisers who are going to end up in the prominent, top positions in the country are those that can manage that transition from the dictator to customer service.”
For more insights, read our full conversation.